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What transport is available?

posted Jan 18, 2017, 11:48 PM by Martin Riddle   [ updated Jan 20, 2017, 1:01 PM by Posts Editor]

We will organise the following buses at the startand end of the tn17 Raid:

  • Wednesday 1st February – we will organise two bus runs from the LBT Shed in Franklin to Cockle Creek. People dropping off boats and then doing the trailer shuffle back to Franklin will have preference for the later bus.
  • Friday 10th February Constitution Docks, Hobart to Franklin – times for bus run(s) will depend on demand

You can book places on these buses on-line at:

If you are joining the Raid on Sunday 5th February becauseyour boat was assessed as not suitable for doing the more exposed parts of theRaid south of Dover we can provide some assistance but you need to sortout the details with us. We assume you have a car and trailer and that you needhelp to get your trailer back to Franklin. If you are an early riser and are veryefficient at rigging your boat you could plan to join the fleet in themorning in Dover in time to rig, launch and sail with the fleet during the daybut that will be very rushed. A less stressful alternative would be to take a leisurelydrive to Randalls Bay, enjoy a peaceful day there rigging and testing your boatbefore the fleet arrives in the afternoon.  If you are joining on 5th Februaryyou need to contact the tn17 Coordinator to confirm your details. Email to:

If you think you have arranged for us to help with transportthat is not covered above and you have not yet discussed this in detail withthe Raid Coordinator, you’d better contact him because he’s probably forgotten –that’s why we have a preference for people doing the whole Raid. Email to:

If you need transport at other times, youroptions are:

  1. Put out a request using our ‘Info Exchange’ toolavailable on line at:

  2. Public transport – TassieLink Buses provides thebus service between Hobart and Franklin, their time-tables are availableon-line at:

  3. There are several options for getting from theHobart Airport to Hobart and back.

What gear should I bring?

posted Jan 18, 2017, 9:50 PM by Martin Riddle   [ updated Jan 20, 2017, 1:00 PM by Posts Editor]

There is no single right answer to this. However, thefollowing lists are based on previous experience and will be helpful if you arestanding surrounded by a pile of ball gowns, overalls, croquet sets, shorts anddinner jackets wondering which to leave behind. All your clothes and camping gear will travel by road not in your boat but with nearly 100 people travellingon the Raid, the amount of gear becomes a major issue. If everyone brings 25kgthat’s 2.5 tonnes of personnel gear to load and unload every day.

A maximum of 23-25kgs including all your camping gear shouldbe enough for anyone. Packing in two or more lighter bags is better thancramming everything in a very heavy single bag and hoping no-one will notice. Stuff you are bringing to Tasmania but don’t need during the Raid should be packed separately and left in Franklin. We will organise for it to be transferred to Hobart on 10 February.

You will not need to bring camping chairs – chairs areprovided. There will be a marquee at each evening stop over which could be usedto dry clothing. Water will be available at every site but islimited. At some stopovers basic washing facilities will be available.

This was the listput out for tn15:

Sailing/Rowing Gear

1.      Wet Weather Gear,Wet Suit, Dry Suit

2.      PFD 100/150

3.      2 Pairs Polypropyleneor woollen thermal underwear – long sleeved top and long johns.

4.      Polar fleece jacket(preferred) or woollen jumper

5.      Sailing Boots or WetSuit Booties or shoes that you don’t mind getting wet – you may have to wade ashoreover oysters

6.      Beanie and Sunhatand Sunscreen

7.      Sunglasses

8.      Shorts or light-weight/quickdrying long pants if you want to keep the sun off

Evening Wear

1.      3 Warm long pants –evening camp

2.      3 Shirts / t-shirts– 3 recommended

3.      Socks – 3 pairsrecommended

4.      Underwear (Leave that up to you!)

5.      Lightweight footwear

6.      Polar fleece jacket(preferred) or woollen jumper or Light Rain Shell

Personal Gear

1.      Toiletries

2.      Towel or bodychamois – light and quick to dry

3.      Swimming costume

4.      Water bottle – atleast 1.5 litres

5.      Camera, small torch,binoculars

6.      Tent, sleeping bagand mat.

If you would like a female perspective, the following listis from a Raid-Regular from overseas – she has a reputation for packing lightbut wishes to remain anonymous


Rowingfootwear with strong soles (oysters!)

Walking or trek shoes

(You might get away with the same pairfor rowing / trekking)

Flip flops (because they don’t take upmuch room)

2 -3 x pairs of socks – to keep yourfeet warm at night or for trekking



1 pair of lightweight long trousers(which can be washed and dried quickly)

1 x cotton leggings (can be worn undershorts to keep legs warm)



2 x swimming shorts  (dry easily, also reduces the needunderwear!)

2 x campsite shorts



3 – 4 pairs (1 for wearing, 1 forwashing / drying, 2 x spare)

Bikini tops (which also double as bras,ladies – or gents!)



Rowing tops, vests t shirts (lightweightfabric so wash / dry quickly)

2 x long sleeved tops (1 for wearing forsun protection / windproof when rowing, 1 for campsite at night)

1 lightweight fleece / jacket



1 x pac-a-mac waterproof jacket

1 x pac-a-mac waterproof trousers (goodfor warmth over shorts)



Sun hat

‘buff’ neckwarmer  (has a multiple of uses)


Additional clothing

2 x lightweight outfit for evening useon-land e.g at the boat festival or a restaurant visit (although you couldeasily wear a combo of the stuff above


Camping stuff


Sleeping bag

Sleeping mat

Small dry bag (can be stuffed withclothes to make into a pillow)

Head torch

Solar shower (there are plenty of folkwith these, so you might be able to borrow a shot of one)



In general, things which can bemulti-use are best

e.g Bar of soap (can wash you and yourclothes and reduces in size as the trip goes on!)

Shower gel (that can be used as shampooand also for washing clothes)


Toothbrush and toothpaste

+ other personal items


Other stuff

Lifejacket and ideally a spare cylinder

Camera + charger  (USB / car lighter charger are best)

Pen and paper (I never travel withoutthese!)

bin bags (to put wet kit in etc)

Any personal medication

Sweeties / candies etc

A pack of cards

Ear plugs – there’s always a snorernearby

A big smile

How will people be allocated to boats? (for people not bringing their own boats)

posted Jan 18, 2017, 8:29 PM by Martin Riddle   [ updated Jan 20, 2017, 1:00 PM by Posts Editor]

You may be wondering how the allocation of people to boatswill work for those not bringing their own vessel on the Raid. Now that youhave all responded to our little survey on Rowing/Sailing preferences we have apretty good idea what you want and we will do our best to provide it. Ingeneral people fall into one of the following categories:

  1. Dedicated rowers who want to row all the way anddon’t want a sailing rig on their vessel

  2. Dedicated sailors who want to sail all the wayand don’t want to touch an oar unless necessary

  3. People who want to try a bit of everything

I don’t want to spend every night drawing up rosters andadjudicating disputes about who is in which boat. The plan is to make the boatallocation process self-organising. Every evening we will put up a sign-insheet for each boat. Once all the seats in a boat are taken, if you really wantto be in that boat, write your name in the reserve spot and go and speak tosomeone already in the boat and see if you can swap with them. The rules aroundthis:

  1. Be nice to each other

  2. The sign-in sheet is part of our SafetyManagement System as it forms the manifest of who is on which boat

  3. No-one is to erase or change the sheet withoutthe agreement of the other person

  4. No-one is to swap boats without informing theBeachmaster

  5. If you find you have a preference for aparticular boat, don’t be greedy about it, others may also want to experienceit

  6. Skiffs with sails are in short supply – if youindicated you want to row all the way don’t monopolise the one skiff that has asail (Imagine)

  7. Be nice to each other

Our tn17 fleet of LBT-owned/managed boats consists of threewhaleboats and five St Ayles skiffs each with an experienced skipper in charge and 4-6 crew (that’s you).All the whaleboats have sails and two of them (Swiftsure and the MontaguWhaler) have both sails and oars. The third whaleboat (Capricornia) has sailsbut no oars. The St Ayles skiffs are principally rowing boats, with onlyImagine having the capacity for an optional sailing rig.

Everyone is encouraged to try a range of different boats. Ifthere are any disputes over places, people who identified themselves as wantingto row only or sail only will be given preference for the rowing or sailingboats respectively. Those who said they wanted to try a bit of rowing and a bitof sailing will be given preference for swapping among boats to experience thefull range of vessels in the LBT-owned/managed fleet.

A few people (a boat full) identified themselves as wantingto go on a skiff without a sail only – they will be easy to accommodate as wehave four skiffs without sails. More people (two boats full)  identified they would like to experience askiff with a sail – unfortunately we have not been able to rig a second StAyles skiff with a sail for this Raid but with a bit of flexibility everyonewho wants should get the chance for a sail on a skiff at some point.

Some people indicated they would like the opportunity totake one of the LBT’s smaller sailing boats. None of these boats are suitablefor the most exposed southern legs of the Raid. We may have a one or two of theLBT Grebes available from Randalls Bay onwards, however, I am sure you willunderstand that with a small band of helpers our priority for preparing boatshas to be those that can carry 5-7 people for the whole Raid rather than aGrebe which can only carry two people for the second half – but we will do what wecan. The tn17 Safety Committee has decided Syrah is too tender to participatein the Raid.

Many of the people bringing their own boats(either the small sailing Raid boats or the larger accompanying vessels) haveindicated they would be happy to have additional crew on their boats. We willprovide a sign-up sheet for people to put their names down for theseopportunities each day, with the boat’s skipper having the final say. 40 Peopleindicated they would be prepared to join a fast safety boat as a crew member ifneeded and, of these, 17 are particularly keen to help. We need 3 or 4 peopleto do this each day and will have a sign-up sheet for these spots each day.
If this leaves you with unanswered questions send an email to:

What happens to my application if I am on the Reserve List?

posted Sep 15, 2016, 12:25 AM by Martin Riddle   [ updated Jan 20, 2017, 1:02 PM by Posts Editor]

All new EOIs received after 15 September 2016 will beentered on the Reserve List.
People who submitted EOIs before 15 September are on the Priority List and will be given a due date for paying their participation fee to confirm their place.
If people on the Priority List withdraw their EOI or do not pay within the time given their place will be offered to someone on the Reserve List.
When places become available they will be offered to people on the Reserve List in order of the date they entered their EOI.

Are there any tricks for making life more comfortable at the camps?

posted Aug 24, 2016, 10:01 PM by Martin Riddle   [ updated Jan 20, 2017, 1:02 PM by Posts Editor]

The camp sites are generally fairly simple. The road crewbring portaloos, a mobile kitchen and a professional chef – so we always havethe essentials, and at 2 or 3 of the sites there may be the chance of a shower.

Everything has to be loaded and unloaded from the truck manytimes so we ask people to limit the amount of stuff they bring for the camps.We will send out detailed advice on this later but as an indication, you don’tneed to invest in a super lightweight trekking tent, a normal 3-person tent isreasonable for a couple but a massive family tent would be considered over thetop. Chairs, tables, cutlery, crockery, glasses etc are all provided so no needto drag these along. We will also bring a range of beer and bottled wine forpeople to buy on a tab system, so please don’t bring your personal cellar unlessit can be stowed on your boat and doesn’t need space in the truck.

One indulgence that many find makes the whole trip morecomfortable is a thick (9cm) self-inflating sleeping mat – they’re a littlebulky but not heavy and definitely worth it. A change into dry clothes after aday on the water is always welcome. We’ve never been particularly bothered bybiting flies but it’s always possible and we suggest bringing repellent just incase.

There are a couple of places where some people choose to renta holiday house for the night rather than sleep in their tent. If you decide tobook your own accommodation, you will need to organise how you are going to getto it as we can’t provide transport. You also run the risk that adverse weatherwill force changes to our itinerary so we may not get to the place for the dayyou book.

Apart from sailing and rowing what else happens during the Raid?

posted Aug 24, 2016, 9:39 PM by Martin Riddle   [ updated Jan 20, 2017, 1:03 PM by Posts Editor]

A typical day sees us getting up for breakfast at about 8amthen breaking camp and being on the water between 9 and 10am. We probably sailfor 4 to 5 hours depending on the distance for the day and of course theweather.

Unlike some raids in Europe and the US ours are not timedevents, there’s no formal race, only the friendly rivalry inevitable when two ormore boats are heading in the same direction.

Previously we have tended to set a course directly to the next campsite but in 2017 we plan to create opportunities for the fleet to meet up forlunch – this will help keep the boats together and makes for a sociable breakin the day’s sailing or rowing.

We generally get to the camp site mid-afternoon. Because of Tasmania’slong summer there’s plenty of time for lazing around, swimming and exploring aswell as getting the tent set up. Of course in Tassie everything depends on theweather but we have been very lucky in the past (except for a few days in 2015but it had to happen sooner or later) – actually it’s not just luck as the Raidis timed for February which typically has the most settled weather.

The Raid is fully catered – breakfast, packed lunch anddinner – so no need to cook in the evenings. We do expect people to muck in andhelp with general camp set up, clearing up after meals etc but if everyonetakes their turn it’s not too demanding and not everyone is needed every day.

At this stage we’re not planning to organise additional entertainmentas we’ve found that with the number and variety of people involved the Raidtends to become its own very sociable travelling event. We are hoping that communalsinging of sea shanties may become a feature of the 2017 Raid so if you have a favouriteplease bring along the words – who knows, we might even have an informal tn17 seashanty performance at the Australian Wooden Boat Festival when we get there.

I don’t have a boat or the experience to take my own boat – can I still do the Raid?

posted Jun 15, 2016, 3:15 AM by Posts Editor   [ updated Jun 15, 2016, 3:15 AM]

Yes – theLiving Boat Trust has several boats that will be doing the Raid andare available for people not able to use their own boats. There is aplace to indicate this when you fill out the Expression of Interestform.

What sort of boat is suitable for doing the Raid?

posted Jun 15, 2016, 3:14 AM by Posts Editor   [ updated Jun 15, 2016, 3:14 AM]

The Raid isprincipally a small boat sailing/rowing expedition. The fleetconsists of small craft supported by larger vessels and fast safetyboats. Sailing craft must be seaworthy and capable – slow and steadyis more suitable than a sprightly, thoroughbred day-racer. Theability to reef sails quickly is essential for when the inevitablesquall comes through. Rowing boats have ranged from a 6-oar whaleboat, several 4-oar St Ayles Skiffs to single-person expeditionskiffs.

To be acceptedfor the Raid boats must be assessed to be suitable by the tn17 RaidSafety Committee. You will be required to carry some safety equipment- final details to be advised but the tn15 gear list accessible fromthe tn17 web site provides some guidance. If you can demonstrate yourboat meets a recognised standard, such as one of the YachtingAustralia categories for racing boats, this will assist the SafetyCommittee in their decision.

If the SafetyCommittee decides your craft is not suitable or your boatingexperience not sufficient to do the more exposed legs at the startyou may be invited to join the tn17 fleet at Dover on Sunday 5thFebruary.

I understand the Living Boat Trust makes a profit from the Raid – is this necessary and reasonable?

posted Jun 15, 2016, 3:13 AM by Posts Editor   [ updated Jun 15, 2016, 3:13 AM]

The Raid is oneof the main sources of income for the Living Boat Trust, but inreturn the Raid uses many of the LBT’s facilities. If these weren’tavailable from within the organisation the cost of the Raid wouldhave to rise considerably. The Living Boat Trust is only able to runthe Raid if it is financially viable throughout the year.

The people whoorganise the Raid do so as volunteers and give their time willinglybecause they believe in the LBT. They love being part of the Raid somuch that they not only organise it but happily pay the full fee toparticipate in tn17.

What opportunities are there to qualify for the reduced fee?

posted Jun 15, 2016, 3:00 AM by Posts Editor   [ updated Jun 15, 2016, 3:00 AM]

To qualify forthe reduced charge you will be required to take responsibility foradditional support tasks that for several days will take you awayfrom sailing or rowing as part of the tn17 fleet. Tasks may includecleaning Portaloos, being a dedicated kitchen hand, driving vehicles,moving camp, on-the-water safety support etc.

If we areoversubscribed, people electing upfront to pay the full fee will havepriority, so this is the option to choose if you wish to be certainabout securing a place on tn17. There are limited opportunities forpart-time workers at the reduced daily rate and these will beallocated down the track by the organising committee to people takingadditional responsibilities for specific essential tasks – so thereis a risk that you may miss out.

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